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January 14, 2005 - 11:12pm

Some folks just aren’t getting the idea behind the Mac mini. A shame, that, because this product is going to take over and help make switchers out of a good chunk of PC users, despite what some may think. So far it seems that the largest complaint about the Mac mini is the lack of a keyboard, mouse, and monitor.

You know, those things it was intentionally designed around not including.

So since he’s the only person that I can find that’s posted a semi-coherent rant about this view (though I’ve seen it elsewhere in bits and spurts) I’ll sift through Bill’s issues with the Mac mini and see what clarity can be brought to this.

  • comes with not one, not two, but three components missing, any of which whose absence renders the whole thing unusable. It’s not just missing a monitor, it doesn’t even have a keyboard or mouse. This isn’t just about selling a car with no engine in it, this lemon doesn’t have tires or a windshield, either.*

Bill Palmer

A master of the obvious if ever I saw one, Bill raises issues similar to those that were raised about the lack of monitor-spanning on iBooks and its lack of PC Card slots. “The iBook isn’t a serious machine,” was the common understanding. You know, they were right, it wasn’t a “serious” machine because it wasn’t designed to be. It was brought into this world with one purpose: a cheap portable Mac. The Mac mini was brought into this world for one purpose: a stripped-down computer aimed solely at people replacing a modern PC.

To that end, the Mac mini does its job well. Just like a “pro” PC upgrade, upgrading to a Mac mini is as simple aas unplugging the old CPU and putting this fellow in-line. For the more serious users of their PC, they’ll know how to put a KVM in the middle and switch between the two. It works, for them, just like a second PC CPU would work. For the more advanced users that this product is aimed at the Mac mini works just as they expect. Already two die-hard PC fans I know have placed orders for the Mac mini. They’re excited. They’re happy. This is just what they wanted because this was aimed at them.

Let me paint a picture for you. A potential low-end Switcher, who only knows Apple as the iPod maker, and who has little familiarity with the Macintosh, wanders into an Apple Store at the local shopping mall. After he gets done playing with the iPods in the front of the store, he spots a computer with a $499 price tag and makes a bee line for it. Nice little machine there, except whoops, that $499 price doesn’t include a monitor. Since he’s on the low end, his existing PC is three or four years old, and his aging piece of junk 15 inch CRT monitor is just about to die, so he wants to do what nearly all low end computer buyers do when they buy a computer: buy a new low-end monitor to go with it. So he asks the Apple Store salesperson where the monitors are, and the salesperson cheerfully points him in the direction of Apple’s least expensive monitor, the 20 inch Cinema Display, which costs a mere $999.
Bill Palmer

That’s a nice story. It has nothing to do with the Mac mini. For a small amount more that same person will be directed to the eMac or iMac, “switched” and then sent home with their new toy. The Mac mini was not aimed at that customer. I can’t emphasize this point enough. The “low-end Switcher” is not the market that this toy is aimed at; the mid-to-high-end PC user is the target market. The Mac mini was created for the sole purpose of answering the question: “Why doesn’t Apple sell a stripped-down Mac for PC users?”

The Mac mini is not Apple’s answer to eMachines. Do not make the mistake of seeing it as such. It is exactly what it was designed to be: a drop-in replacement for an existing, modern Wintel PC. If a customer has an old set of peripherals, or wants to replace them, then that user needs an eMac or iMac. Those are the solutions to that problem. The Mac mini is the solution to something else and doesn’t need to be brought into that equation. You might as well extoll the virtues of the iPod as a hard drive and complain, “Why would I want my hard drive to play music?”

Think it’s not gonna happen? Alright, you tell me how the above story has a different ending.
Bill Palmer

After the salesman sees that the user is trying to make a complete system on the cheap, the salesman does what salesmen do and directs the customer to the cheapest complete system: the eMac. The customer asks why it’s more expensive and gets the answer: because it’s a complete system. The customer may or may not buy this more expensive item, but at least understands the reason behind the price difference.

In fact, imagine the above story happening, except that the guy isn’t savvy enough to know that his existing keyboard and mouse aren’t going to work with the Mac Mini.
Bill Palmer

Yes, let’s also imagine that the customer’s house has 480v wall outlets and gets thunderstorms nightly with multiple lightning strikes. Let’s also imagine that the customer has an IQ in the general vicinity of his pant size. While we’re at it, the customer’s home just got electricity last week and he’s still unsure of how, exactly, to operate electronic devices; his toaster still confuses him.

Yes, let’s expect the absolute worst and then base our entire opinion of the product around it. Yes, because that’s the most logical angle to approach this from.

News flash: People are idiots. Just because this is a fact does not mean you build your product line around it. You build a product to answer a need. There was a need for an all-in-one home machine, thus the iMac. There was a need for an even cheaper version for schools, so there’s an eMac. There was a need for a more powerful machine, so we have the Power Macintosh. There was a need for a high- and low-end portable, so there exist the PowerBook and the iBook. Now there’s a need for a drop-in replacement for PCs to get the Mac “out there” and used and now there’s the Mac mini. Just because some fool’s going to do something stupid is no reason to abandon the fundamentals of capitalism: find a market and make a product to sell in it. If people are so absolutely stupid that they don’t know what they’re in the market for that’s their own problem. To Apple’s credit they do have sales people to help guide the fools to the right product for their market, as do all stores that sell anything. That’s why salesmen exist: to sell the right item to the right people. Let them do their jobs.

Was it just me, or did I hear Steve Jobs say this morning that the G5 iMac is currently Apple’s best-selling computer? Well, you can scratch that off the list, because the Mac Mini completely illegitimizes the iMac.
Bill Palmer

Once again, a common opinion among those taking up arms against the Mac mini is that it’s the new consumer model. No, the Mac mini is not the new consumer model. The Mac mini is a prosumer model. Price does not dictate market, functionality does. Is the Mac mini an answer to any problem a low-end consumer has? No. Then the Mac mini is not a low-end consumer product, now is it? Does it answer any professional problem? No. Then it’s not a professional product. Does it answer any prosumer problem? Yes, that of the cheap-ass switcher. So it’s a prosumer product. Thus, the line-up is as follows:

Low-end consumer/education: eMac
Consumer: iMac
Switcher/Prosumer: Mac mini
Professional PowerMac

Think about Apple’s new desktop lineup from top to bottom. At the low end (Mac Mini), you’re responsible for bringing your own monitor. In the mid-range (iMac), the monitor is built into the computer. And on the high end, you’re once again responsible for bringing your own monitor. You don’t have to play a game of “Which one of these doesn’t belong?” in order to see just how ridiculous this is. ... The desktop lineup used to be so easily explainable and understandable, and now it’s just inexcusable.
Bill Palmer

It does seem quite ridiculous when described that way, I agree. However rather than lambast Apple over the creation of the product for a market that it makes little sense to be in, it should be moved into the proper market and evaluated there. When a multi-billion-dollar company creates a product I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt that they might just know what they were doing. It’s not always the case, but it generally is. So, if, upon first glance, the product doesn’t fit into the market you describe, you probably have assigned the product to a market it was not aimed at. In this case, again, this is not the low-end computer. That’s why it fits in so poorly. Square peg, round hole. Don’t complain about the existence of the round hole, find the square one instead. Prosumer. High-end switcher. Consumers with a brain.

The referenced article goes downhill from here so I won’t bother answering further objections to the Mac mini.

For the market the Mac mini was aimed at, it’s a grand slam hit. It’s out of the park. It’s exactly what people wanted and exactly what those people will buy. Already, and without soliciting ideas, mind you, I’ve heard the following excellent uses of the Mac mini:

  • Home server. Install Mac OS X Server on it and treat it like a headless Xserve for a third of the cost ($499 Mac mini + $499 Mac OS X Server (10-client) vs $2999 Xserve).
  • iTunes server. Load up all your music on it and let it just manage your music. Hook it up to your TV with the DVI to Composite adapter and use it to power your home stereo and get visuals on your TV set.
  • Cluster node. For Final Cut Pro or Logic Pro users this is a significantly cheaper way to get some extra render nodes when the cost of the Xserve prohibits adding them instead (the machines that are clearly superior for this task). For home developers this would make an excellent distributed GCC node. Get a pair of them and get the Developer Tools installed and then just put them in the corner somewhere.
  • Web test bed. For PC users that do not plan on making the switch, this makes an excellent machine to just have in the KVM to make sure sites work on the Mac. No more excuses.
  • Programming test bed. If you want to make sure your software runs on a weak Mac, this is certainly the way to do it. Sit it on top of your G5 and switch between the two to test. Build a profile of all your users with just the two machines.

The list goes on, but here’s what I’m going to do with it:

I have an iBook as my primary machine because, honestly, it’s exactly what I wanted. Sturdy plastic, small form, big-enough keyboard, ports enough to expand it, G4 processor. It works … and well. Yet, I have a hard limit on the amount of data I can carry around. My iPod is larger than my iBook’s hard drive. So, I get a Mac mini and …

  • Hook up my three external Firewire drives to it and leave them on, for once.
  • Setup some share points so I can access the drives and still perform my backups, albeit wirelessly (and slower) now.
  • Setup iTunes on the machine to use the music on my drives and share it on the AirPort network. This also turns this into my iPod docking station.
  • Get the DVI to Composite fob and hook it up to the TV. Use my existing Bluetooth fob, keyboard, and mouse to control it wirelessly. It’s now a WebTV on crack. I can:
    • Hit the web
    • Read email
    • Play DVDs
    • Rip the DVDs and store them locally for random-access playback with VLC
    • Play games on my 37” TV rather than my 12” iBook
    • Play my music with visuals on and have some auditory and visual goodness in the background
    • Preview iMovies and iDVDs on a television ahead of time…

Now, sure, a lot of that could be done with a second iBook and the video adapter for it … but for twice the cost. I can throw $500 at Apple now and again, but not $1,000 (or $1,500 once I get it the way I’d like it). But $500? Not cheap, no, but not overly-expensive, either.

And I don’t need a monitor when, for $20, I can turn my TV into the perfect one.

For me, the prosumer, this is a hit and just what I wanted. Thank you, Apple.

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January 15, 2005 - 12:02am
Lee said

I’ve been considering the headless server angle on this myself. I don’t own any DVI Macs so can someone answer as to whether or not this will run headless?
I have a DrBott VGA dongle thingy in my old PowerMac so that I can access it using VNC from bootup. Would I need to buy a similar device for this?

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January 15, 2005 - 2:26am
Chris said

The word from the Mac mini product manager is that yes the Mac mini has no problems living its life without a head.

Amongst other things, the RAM, HDD, Airport and bluetooth are all user installable depending on how good you are with a screwdriver. Apparently Apple will be selling the Airport/Bluetooth as a kit for the Mac mini.

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January 15, 2005 - 2:53am
Craig Beck said

I’m amazed at the number of people that don’t get it. It’s going to be great for exactly the sort of switchers you describe, plus (and I think Apple knows this too) a lot of existing Mac users are looking at the mini as a perfect third and/or fourth mac.

I’ll need two of them. One as the iTunes media server in the living room, and another as a staging and test server for web development.

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January 15, 2005 - 4:28am
Fazal Majid said

There is one valid point, however. Apple had better make sure it sells those inexpensive ($20) two-port PS/2 to USB converters nearby, as very few PC owners actually have USB keyboards. Bundling a few “Alt/Option” and “Swedish campground cloverleaf” stickers for key caps would be a good idea as well.

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January 15, 2005 - 4:41am
Kevin Ballard said

Word of warning for playing games on your TV instead of your iBook: the resolution is a lot lower. If you care about size and not resolution, go ahead. But if you like decent resolution in your full-screen games, you might want to play on the iBook.

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January 15, 2005 - 4:43am
Eli Sarver said

I think I’m going to get one after next Friday. I’m going to get it with maximum specs in the processor/HDD axis, as well as fully wireless. I’ll upgrade the RAM when I get it home. I’m not paying Apple’s RAM prices when I can open the case without breaking the warranty.

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January 15, 2005 - 4:55am
Mark Eichin said

There are two other places I can easily see this box going: in the entertainment center (sure, it isn’t a set top box… but as a Media Friendly computer, the amount of a/v appliance stuff that it’ll do without hacking is worth a thought) and in the car (it looks to be just the right size to drop in where the CD changer is, and it takes DC power in…)

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January 15, 2005 - 9:04am
Rod Begbie said

I very much agree. My first Mac was second-hand blue&white G3, purchased for $500 in January 2002 after I bought an iPod, and loved it.

After 9 months, Apple had convinced me of its greatness, and I upgraded to a dualproc Powermac G4. The G3? Sold to someone for $500 who’d just bought an iPod.

$500 is the perfect sweet spot for a geek who wants to dabble in Apple’s shininess, but can’t convince their conscience/lifepartner to let them drop a grand.

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January 15, 2005 - 6:44pm
Unixbigot said

I’ve read in the PC press that, for MS-windows users,
spyware and worm/virus infections are so bad that
significant numbers of people are BUYING WHOLE NEW COMPUTERS, just to start over again with
a guaranteed uninfected machine. Quotes like “I only bought this computer six months ago and already its completely useless” are common.

These people are the Mac Mini’s market.

For the technically competent, weekly patches and a quarterly reinstall will reduce the MS suckitude to a tolerable level; but for the proverbial Aunt Tilly the cost of paying Computa Shack to do that can be as high as a new computer.

So when Aunt Tilly calls you, the family nerd, and asks “Computa Shack quoted me $BIGNUM to clean out my PC again, what should I do?”, the clear answer is now “Switch!”.

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January 15, 2005 - 9:41pm
Mark Davis said

Thanks for clearing this up. I’m thinking of buying a Mac Mini just because it basically matches the specs of an eMac and I’d be able to spend a little bit extra money to get a large monitor.

Oh and I have an extra apple keyboard and mouse that were given to me when Apple replaced a faulty computer of mine.

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January 16, 2005 - 1:17pm
adam schmitt said

excellent points. all of them. right now, as the prosumer that i am, i’m really really really kicking myself for updating my setup this summer. i can’t even really spare $500 without getting rid of stuff i need, but as a graphic/multimedia/music artist, the only logical choice is to own a mac. i thought i could do a good job with a desktop computer that took up a small footprint – and i did, with a shuttle sn45g – but this thing just doesn’t look as sexy as it did yesterday now that i’ve seen the mac mini.

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January 16, 2005 - 1:57pm
Michael Tomlin said

Bill’s a good guy, but I had issues with his rant as well. His opinion was extremely short-sighted obviously out of his hatred for the Mac mini.

My belief is that Apple will use the Mac mini to get people to notice and up-sell them an eMac, iBook or even an iMac, once people realize how much it’ll cost to create a complete system out of it. There is no real savings from this system unless you don’t need to purchase a monitor or all the other various options.

Personally, the Mac mini is PERFECT for someone like myself … I have a computer frankenstation: a standard VGA monitor, a three button mouse I “borrowed” from work and an old Mac keyboard all connected to my iBook. I can’t afford having both a desktop computer and a laptop, so I use my G3 iBook as both. But now that the mini is here, I can afford to have an actual desktop.

And I also have an old B&W G3 Tower that I use as my web server, print server and internet gateway/router that I’d like to replace.

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January 16, 2005 - 3:02pm
Daniel Woods said

One thing that points out how little thought Bill put into this is that the Mac Mini is actually missing four components, maybe even five.
But cheap computer speakers are Cheap, and most people with 5.1 Surround sound output via that integrated RTL Chipset don’t use it or even know what it is.
Any people who do have a use for Audio Input or MultiChannel Audio Output will probably buy a Break-Out Box like the Griffin iMic or M-Audio Transit.

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January 16, 2005 - 4:57pm
Patrick Quinn-Graham said

I’ve been a mac user for a whole two years now (two iBooks), and I’ve ordered a Mac mini. Why? Because I’ll combine it with a 17” LCD and the bluetooth keyboard and mouse (apple gear) that I already have, and will have a desktop that does more than I need. (A little graphics, web design mainly, but not much in the grand scheme of things. My 800MHz iBook is fast enough for that.)

Has Apple missed the mark here? Hell no.

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January 16, 2005 - 10:38pm
jeff said

Grab a DVI to HDMI cable (10 bucks online, way-too-much at radioshack) and you can run a digital connection to any modern HDTV. (some older HDTVs even had DVI inputs. HDMI is simply the new version of DVI for high definition televisions and components. HDMI is backwards compatible with DVI)

Suddenly you have a HUGE screen, and a good resolution. (i could read 8pt fonts from 12 feet away easily) i wonder if the Mac Mini might get a foothold in the mediacenter market… seems like it has a good chance.

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January 16, 2005 - 10:48pm
Jon H said

Personally, I think Apple would be better served if their salespeople did not steer customers to the eMac if they ask about a monitor.

They’d be better off pointing such customers at the nearest Best Buy or CompUSA or Circuit City, where the customer could pick up a $149 modern CRT that’d do 1280×1024.

(Even the Apple online store carries a few non-Apple CRTs, in that sub-$200 price range.)

The Mac Mini, plus the cost of the CRT from Best Buy, would be less than the cost of an eMac. If Apple only gives the customer the option of an eMac, or an Apple LCD, the potential buyer may very well stick with a PC, and Apple loses the sale.

Apple doesn’t need to sell monitors, it needs to sell Macs, regardless of where the monitor comes from. If the customer wants a Mini, an Apple store employee should be helpful in suggesting how to complete the Mac Mini system.

The Apple Store employee should not use a hard sell to steer employees to more expensive products, in order to sell glass to the customer.

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January 17, 2005 - 6:59pm
Robert said

I plan on setting up my new mini with my TV as described above with a multichannel receiver connected by USB. It would be even better if it could connect using FireWire but it will do for now. The best part about this is that my remote will be my Bluetooth cell phone (Salling Clicker), don’t even need to use the BT mouse if i don’t feel like. This is a kick-ass media centre set up.

I already have a nice G5 setup for work but this mini is exactly what I have been looking for to upgrade my media centre.

I would be very surprised if Apple doesnt already have plans for the Mac mini as the whole convergence solution. His Stevness has something up his sleeve.

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January 17, 2005 - 7:36pm
Anon said

I couldn’t have written a better anti-idiot article myself; too many gimps are spouting random rubbish about the Mac mini instead of realising what it is; perfect for a particular audience.

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January 20, 2005 - 1:13am
Buccho said

The living room composite option is quite alluring. My only concern would be which wireless keyboard/mouse combo would work best there? I don’t even have a coffee table!

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January 20, 2005 - 10:57pm
cancerman said

Do you know what this is perfect for? I have seven PC kiosks in my department for student use. They are old PII Dells. They’re only there for web surfing email and printing, nothing exotic. Now I can replace them with Macs cheaply and I don’t have to monitor windows update or antivirus nearly as often anymore. I’ll have to check on them once a term maybe. No more spyware, no more printing issues…

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January 15, 2005 - 12:30am
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January 16, 2005 - 9:17am
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January 16, 2005 - 5:26pm
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February 9, 2005 - 12:25am
Craig said

Excellent analysis. I’m a Windows user who just purchased a Mac Mini so I can check out the Mac OS. I plug it into an LCD TV for use with the home entertainment system, or into my LCD PC monitor upstairs. The PC monitor has both digital and analog connectors, so I don’t need a KVM switch. I leave the Windows PC plugged into the DVI connector and hook the Mac Mini up to RGB connector.

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February 13, 2005 - 1:27pm
Kirk said

I want a light weight LCD Keyboard combo for a Mac Mini. My powerbook never gets used on batteries, and every client I have has electricity, so what I would like to have is a laptop with everything that is NOT in the Mac Mini. That way, I could hook the LCD Human Interface Device to a Mac Mini, and still use it in bed, or in an easy chair, AND have the portability of a laptop with the addition of a few power cords.

Too bad the current bluetooth technology does not have the bandwidth for video – that would be the ideal. Just take your Mac Mini into the office, add power, and your desktop monitor and keyboard would be connected. Or plug it in bedside, and the LCD-HID would be connected, so I can sit back and watch TV while I do my email.

Now if there were a Mac Mini docking station to go with, that would be too kewl!

Desktop LCD displays are 12-20 lbs – I want one at 1 lb, plus keyboard, with a combo video/USB/power cable (If I have to have a video and display power cable, using a wireless mouse/keyboard is a waste)

If there were a was to strip a Sony Vaio or an iBook …..

Why not use an iBook – well, at the office, I want a 1600×1200 display. Hack the iBook video stuff for dual monitor support, and close lid operation? sure, but it would still be more money than a mac Mini, and no where near as hardware configurable.

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