Daddy, what does “twenty-eight percent of see colon formatted” mean?
Welcome to TexasSometimes this stuff disheartens me, and sometimes it makes me feel very, very happy to live here. Today, it makes me feel very, very happy.
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“There is a case for telling the truth; there is a case for avoiding the scandal; but there is no possible defense for the man who tells the scandal, but does not tell the truth.” — ILN, 7/18/08 – G. K. Chesterton
Are you sure you meant ‘happy’? Doesn’t the fact that a man got beaten because of an allegation concern you?
What if it turns out that the child had acquired the material earlier, and when caught showing it to friends, blamed it on a random stranger?
What exactly did the mother ‘see’?
I thought civilised countries used a system of courts to determine what actually happened before dealing out punishments.
You’ve never been to Texas, have you?
No.
I’m obviously missing something here. Perhaps you could explain it for someone who’s never visited?
I suppose there are two situations where your comment makes sense. Either you personally witnessed everything and can confirm the allegations are all true, or there’s a law that everyone in Texas should show porn to children so it’s guaranteed he’s guilty.
You know, I’m glad no-one from Texas has a say in running the world.
If you’ve never been, then it’s hard to explain. The police here are hit-and-miss for lazy and/or abusive and it’s not certain they’d care in the proper way about something like this.
However, at a more fundamental level, the more traditional folks here believe in community justice more than civil actions. A part of me is sympathetic to that. You can go on about civil rights and courts of law near-forever in earshot of a traditionalist and get ignored for the weather on the television. You’d probably see that as part of the problem and cause for concern and a sign of being backwards and a slew of other things. A lot of the folks here would say that things are just different here, and that it’s worked out well, for the most part.
There aren’t roving gangs of people attacking suspicious characters or anything crazy like that. There’s just a good chance that parents are going to protect their children, and neighbors will help one another in trials. At least, the traditionalists will, the Old Texans. The new folks are just as wussified as any other American and run behind the government for everything they want done. Not everything needs the government’s involvement, especially something as obviously clear-cut as that.
Sure, we weren’t there, can’t say, all that fun. I’ll give that point. But if it’s as clear-cut as it sounds then more power to ‘em. People need to be scared of society again, not just the police.
I think the problem I have with Texas style justice is that there’s not necessarily a pause for reflection and consideration of what actually happened.
It’s been said that “it is better that ten guilty men walk free, than for one innocent man to go to prison”. Is the Texas version “it is better that innocent men get a beating, than guilty men walk free”?
Here’s another angle. Let’s assume you wanted to subvert this system. Isn’t it possible a few false accusations could result in a beating? Do you think children might learn this trick?
Now if this all works for you lot in Texas, good for you. But I look at events on the world stage, and it looks like you’ve exported it. Please stop doing that. Ta.
Stop and think honestly, for just a moment, about how many people that go through the court system are innocent verysus guilty, and how many wind up in either destination that don’t belong there. Sometimes even pausing for reflection doesn’t change the outcome properly.
Interesting logic. So because a process with checks and balances is flawed, it’s OK to use another process which doesn’t even have the checks and balances?
Actually, I think what you’re saying is that it’s better that innocent people get punished than guilty people walk free. I suppose that’s a valid point of view, and we just differ on whether it’s acceptable in a civilised society or not.
But… stop and think honestly, for just a moment, about how you’d feel if you got beaten up because someone made a false allegation which would be easily disproved in a court.
And stop and think, honestly, how you’d feel if your wife/sister/mother’s rapist went free for lack of evidence or unsympathetic jurors.
Neither is perfect, nor better, but both have merit.
What a wonderfully emotive response.
Are you saying that the evidence necessary for a beating is less than for a successful prosecution, and that people who do not agree with your views on whether someone is guilty are in some way wrong?
Might lack of evidence mean precisely that? That there is a lack of evidence to suggest they did it, logically suggesting that they probably didn’t do it?
Taking this to the logical conclusion, you might as well give everyone a beating.
I sincerely hope that everyone who thinks like you lives in Texas, and that they will not inflict their barbarism on anyone else.
No, I never said anything of the sort. And, honestly, this is getting old; I have better thing to do than banter with a leftie on my own site.
I haven't been there but if beating someone up because of allegations is the norm there I'm not sure if I want come and see it either.
Sure the guy should be caught and the issue investigated by police and if the allegations meet the norms of pressing charges he should be tried and convicted according to law and found evidence.
I'd like to know if the neibourghood residents were charged for the beating or if it is OK in Texas to act vigilant. Well, I don't have my hopes up for Texas after seeing this.
As I responded to the other fellow, there’s using the police and there’s depending on the police. As a society, we’re so dependant on the government and police that we’re too scared to stand up for ourselves or our families anymore. It’s rather sad.
Criminals shouldn’t be scared of the police. Criminals should be scared of the people.
Well, that post made me cancel my RSS feed.
I am no liberal.
And I think criminals should be wary of the people and the community.
But not beaten up. Without a proper process. This is called lynching. We don’t want that.
I don’t want anyone I know, you, me or any stranger, beaten up at the mercy of any potential liar.
You catch someone doing nasty things, you get witnesses and bring them to the police.
I know, lawyers are nasty and such, that is why your US justice system might be in need of a serious overhaul.
Bye for now.
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